>> sure. i would do it gradually because i don't know how much you really have to do, but when we did it with cutting the income tax dramatically in arizona, back in the '90s there, we got the surplus every year and use that revenue to cut it further, further, further. unfortunately, i left office under unpleasant circumstances so we didn't get to finish the job. but we were going to finish the job in arizona. >> did you know, robert, this is an important piece of trivia, jerry brown, governor of california, 13.3% top income tax rate, was tutored on the flat tax by one arthur laffer. brown ran for president, whenever that was, 1992. what happened? >> he was thinking about it? >> oh, he did it. he proposed it. he was the best articulate defender. >> what? >> he was the first serious presidential candidate in recent times since 1913 to run on abolishing the progressive income tax. without him, prop 13 would never have been passed like it was.